Stratego online shabby

[Gluecksritter]

Hello LtCol,

If you are an unregistered player, you should always reset your game when it’s finished, in order to prevent that other players can spy on your setup. There is no “reset” button, but you can either find the “Reset” order in the pull-down menu under “Game”, or simply type “/reset” into the text window.

What have you tried to become a registered player? Did you talk to silver or another admin? That’s the best way to become registered.

You have posed important questions here. It’s all about trust, and you and other players who might be interested in this issue deserve a fair and competent answer, that’s my opinion. I hope that spion is going to explain some of the general principles, to scatter doubts about software security. We all have to trust spion here, and I do. If we had to trust Stratego, then I wouldn’t play here for sure.

[stratego]

If you are an unregistered player, you should always reset your game when it’s finished, in order to prevent that other players can spy on your setup. There is no “reset” button, but you can either find the “Reset” order in the pull-down menu under “Game”, or simply type “/reset” into the text window.

ok more nonsence - you can reset the "reset". can we believe you dont know this ....??? LtCol dont try to learn from these players.
ask the admins please. if you play unregistered and you leave or finish a game reset it, then go back into game choose a "random" setup and leave the game. or just ask for a registration. then you dont need a reset.

Stratego

[Gluecksritter]

Thanks Stratego, I didn't know that anybody can watch the setup of the last unregistered player by using the "unreset" order. That's an important information for unregistered players!
So if you are unregistered and don't want your setup be open for anyone, you have to start a new game, wait for someone to join your game and use then a random setup.
I'm happy that I'm registered!

[-deleted870]

Gluecksritter, thank you for helping me out.
But maybe I can help you out as well by telling you that these kind of situations can backfire at you as well sooner or later.
This, because you support the enemy - and that's me-.

Stratego,

No, I am not Mr. Super Stratego, at this moment I have no registered name, remember?!
But it is obvious, by making this remark, that you use the ability of ones play as a yardstick for your dealings with other people.
High ranking means a genius, low ranking means a half wit, and no ranking means a retard, doesn't it?
Undoubtly you would do very well by speaking to me as if I were a retard.

Yes Dakota was my opponent, and I logged in under the name Carlos.
I asked Spion about 4 weeks ago to make a registered name for me, but -like I told you before - I have not received it, and actually, now I am not even interested any more.

Now with the following I will conclude my post:
So, here we go again.
Yesterday I found out that Gravon is susceptible for trickery; at least the unregistered players, but that doesn't matter: it is susceptible for trickery.
Furthermore, the procedure for avoiding this trickery cannot be known at first hand, and this particular information is not given on any of pages you recommended.
You say this trickery is old news, but newcomers remain in the dark even after this is known for a long time: no information is published on the website and the trickery just goes on.
At the cost of at least one of my initial positions, which are to be kept secret, Sir!
Even when it comes to a head, the only answer - from a third party!- on the forum is: "You should reset the game", but how this procedure works remains also in the dark. The Dark Planet is a well chosen name, I must say!
This said, how about other irregularities I have experienced?
Is it that strange to put questions behind them. I think not.
If a player gambles, has a total of more than 95% chance of stepping on a bomb, and repeatedly just slips right between them, then this gives some thoughts; certainly regarding the abovementioned trickery as well.
So what can I expect if I want to play?
I know that several files will be copied to my personal harddrive.
Can someone design stand alone software to retrieve information and make e.g. the positions of my bombs visible?
You say that this would be impossible, but cannot tell me why this is impossible. I just have to take that for granted.
Then you change the subject by telling that the source code will not be made public.
Even a simple explanation is regarded as so called "inside information".
One conclusion remains: you simply cannot tell me why it is impossible to design stand alone information retrieving software, can you?
So I have to play my games, which are spied at, on a server controlled by moderators that cannot cope with criticism and undoubtly enjoy keeping the planet as dark as possible.

Now you has just found a reason for being insulted, so you can kick me off the forum by misusing your rank, like others misuse the software.
You are allowed to use insulting language, while I am not.
Its just a case of showing who is boss, well, Stratego, you are obviously not.
You don't only sell turds, you spit them out as well, SIR!

[stratego]

No, I am not Mr. Super Stratego, at this moment I have no registered name, remember?!
you dont get the point - its because you try to tell whats wrong here, but you just dont read or listen. all you do is posting wrong facts. nothing changed.

But it is obvious, by making this remark, that you use the ability of ones play as a yardstick for your dealings with other people.
High ranking means a genius, low ranking means a half wit, and no ranking means a retard, doesn't it?
Undoubtly you would do very well by speaking to me as if I were a retard.

what the hell has the ranking of a player to do with the forum and posting here? you posted this twice - any personal problem ?

Yes Dakota was my opponent, and I logged in under the name Carlos.
I asked Spion about 4 weeks ago to make a registered name for me, but -like I told you before - I have not received it, and actually, now I am not even interested any more.

i ask for the date.

Yesterday I found out that Gravon is susceptible for trickery; at least the unregistered players, but that doesn't matter: it is susceptible for trickery.
Furthermore, the procedure for avoiding this trickery cannot be known at first hand, and this particular information is not given on any of pages you recommended.

you found nothing - you post wrong facts. that unregistered players cannot save setups or that you can reset the reset is posted at the homepage. maybe you really try to read the instructions, faq and commands. you find all there - so just when you enter gravon you can get the info (if you can read).

You say this trickery is old news, but newcomers remain in the dark even after this is known for a long time: no information is published on the website and the trickery just goes on.
At the cost of at least one of my initial positions, which are to be kept secret, Sir!
Even when it comes to a head, the only answer - from a third party!- on the forum is: "You should reset the game", but how this procedure works remains also in the dark.

oh man - how old are you - you dont read, you dont ask, you dont like the answere.
the reset button is under commands. again read the facts at the homepage. in addition the admins and a lot of players help you if you ask.
gravon is full of features and we never had a player who didnt get it after a short time. because the games are unranked in the first 3 weeks, you dont even start with lost games, because some feature are unknown.

If a player gambles, has a total of more than 95% chance of stepping on a bomb, and repeatedly just slips right between them, then this gives some thoughts; certainly regarding the abovementioned trickery as well.
So what can I expect if I want to play?
I know that several files will be copied to my personal harddrive.
Can someone design stand alone software to retrieve information and make e.g. the positions of my bombs visible? You say that this would be impossible, but cannot tell me why this is impossible. I just have to take that for granted.

maybe you just use classical setups and most players here can read setups very good. but this is how it works - you think, hey he doesnt beat a bomb - gravon is hacked.

Then you change the subject by telling that the source code will not be made public.
Even a simple explanation is regarded as so called "inside information".
One conclusion remains: you simply cannot tell me why it is impossible to design stand alone information retrieving software, can you?
So I have to play my games, which are spied at, on a server controlled by moderators that cannot cope with criticism and undoubtly enjoy keeping the planet as dark as possible.

no the only problem is that you dont understand the point and ask for informations i dont give you. i will ask spion for a posting here. maybe he posts some details.

Now you has just found a reason for being insulted, so you can kick me off the forum by misusing your rank, like others misuse the software.
You are allowed to use insulting language, while I am not.
Its just a case of showing who is boss, well, Stratego, you are obviously not.
You don't only sell turds, you spit them out as well, SIR!

there is no need for insulting, even if we dont agree, but ok no problem - you get a banning for 1 month.

[lightwing]

[sadistic]

Why is ricardo using lighty's account? Was he proving the ability to hack?

[spion]

Hello LtCol,

you said that it would be possible to view all of your opponents pieces because they are downloaded to your computer and you would be able to hack the program so it would show them to you.

Thats not right.

The setups are held only on the server (except your own one). The client software downloaded to your pc has no knowledge about your opponents setup.

But:

While playing, each time a piece is attacked, both pieces are revealed. At this point, the software gets knowledge about the piece, but it drops that knowledge as soon as the battle is finished.

But if you are a player and you got some paper, you could note down where each of your opponents pieces came from and as soon as they are revealed note down what they are.
If you do so, you can get your opponents setup without even changing one bit in the software.
And i guess thats what a good player does in his mind, keeping track of opponents pieces and their origin.

Gravon's software has been designed in the most safe way possible.

And ricardo: If you can hack Gravon, just tell me my password, can you? I guess you can not.

About games played by unregistered players:
Anybody can join on a place where an unregistered player has played. Even if i would change it so that only the one player can join who has played, anybody else could just use his nick to do so because the nick is unregistered.

But all that can be seen is the last situation on the board, not the initial setup.

I will remove the "unreset" option for finished games as soon as possible.

About your registration, please leave me a private message within the forum, perhaps i did not get your email.

Best regards
spion

[lightwing]

[spion]

Hello again,

a word about hacking:

Please keep in mind that hacking is a criminal offense.

It is not allowed to decompile, disassemble or somehow else reengineer or modify the gravon software. The same applies to the protocol being used.

If i get aware of the fact that someone is trying to hack gravon, i have to take him to court. Trying to hack gravon will lead to a full lifetime account and access shutdown.

Best regards
spion

[sadistic]

May I also have the privilege of utilizing my electro zapper on the offending hacker? I would like to get in on the fun as well.

[lightwing]

[ruben87]

[jerry]

Read and reply for 1 more day fellow MB readers..

Jerry.
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[lightwing]

there is no need for insulting, even if we dont agree, but ok no problem - you get a banning for 1 month.\

I think this really is abusing your rights