Stratego online shabby

-deleted870 · Newbie Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Posts: 9

A nice conclusion isn't it?

Take e.g. the one who calls himself "dakota".
A registered user, because he can load his initial position.

So what's with dakota? I can tell you.

First, you start a game without ranking, and all seems fine.
He loads his position, I make a position (cannot load) and as soon as I finished my position, he logs out. Gone.

Everything has come to an end and both positions remain there when I log out.
After a minute or so I log back in, and who is there in the previously left room?
Dakota! But now he has my colour, and somehow managed to study my initial position.

This is an apalling trick: apparently there are folks who can crack the Stratego software on Gravon.

Not only to spy on someone elses initial position, but also to find out where the opponents pieces reside.
How convenient that some players always guess right if they must take a gamble due to poor position, and manage to capture 5 pieces in the end game, while the chance of stepping on a bomb is 50% and climbing as each piece is being captured.

Clearly ones ranking is such a prestigious item, that it has to be defended at all costs, even if this means that others pay for it.
Consequently the problem arises, that no one can be trusted any more and that online Stratego will become a cheating game visited by sleezebags.

Some comforting thoughts for me though: they only fool themselves, because they have no integrity in their play and therefore cannot be taken seriously.
They will never be able to win a game by themselves, even if they win a game.

stratego · Posted: 07.05.2006 06:37 Post subject:

hi col,

This is an apalling trick: apparently there are folks who can crack the Stratego software on Gravon.

this is an old story and is only possible if you are an unregistered player.
of course this is far away from fair play and we will talk to dakota.

a "crack" of gravon software is not possible - even if it happens, we
know this within seconds. if spion had the talent for stratego as for computer prg.
he would be the new world champ. no doupt.

Stratego

ruben87 · Posted: 07.05.2006 15:54 Post subject:

reset the game would solve the problem I think...

-deleted870 · Newbie Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Posts: 9

Well, as far as I know I haven't been able to use any reset button.

Still, if this is old news, why isn't there a solution for this already?
Not very inviting for newcomers, and besides that, it is almost a month ago I requested a registration but still haven't received it yet.

quote:a "crack" of gravon software is not possible - even if it happens, we
know this within seconds. if spion had the talent for stratego as for computer prg.
he would be the new world champ. no doupt.

Is it true you would know this in seconds, if this is not possible?
All this sounds very contradictory to me.
The online game you play will also be downloaded to your personal harddisk, and that includes the pieces and positions of your opponent.
Theoretically it should be possible to run home made spying software on your local machine to find out the information that is stored there.
In that way you don't even have to be connected to the internet to find things out, so no one would be able to know about your practices.

Has Spion programmed inbuilt heuristics in order to find such local spying software? I guess not, but correct me if I'm wrong here.

OGETARTS · Posted: 07.05.2006 17:01 Post subject:

Stratego and ruben87 are correct. What happened to you is only possible in an unranked game. In an unranked game if someone leaves the game and it is suspended you have 2 options.... 1.) Simply click on the reset button and the game will be gone or 2.) Wait 15 minutes and you will be awarded the victory.

Also, here is some information (the link below) about downloading games. Keep in mind, if you uncheck the box, nobody will be able to download the game.

http://www.gravon.de/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=836

I have been playing here for almost 2 years and I have never had a problem. This is the best software on the Internet for playing Stratego.

Maye spion will see this topic and respond......

OGE

stratego · Posted: 07.05.2006 18:01 Post subject:

The online game you play will also be downloaded to your personal harddisk, and that includes the pieces and positions of your opponent.
Theoretically it should be possible to run home made spying software on your local machine to find out the information that is stored there.

hello col,

no - in addition i am sorry to tell you: there is no santa clause and there is
no easter bunny.

all you descripe in your postings is far away from reality and doesnt
happen. but we dont tell here how it works. you never have pieces or positions or anything
else from the opponent on your harddrive or temporarily in your system cache.

AND: IMPOTANT

dont think that the download option gives any information to others here.
please let the general download ENABLED - this helps gravon for future
features and stratego in generell. NOONE can spy out you, your setups or your playing style. this is a (totally wrong) rumour.
please help gravon with this informations and enable the button.

Stratego

ricardo90 · Posted: 07.05.2006 23:28 Post subject:

hmm lol,

Dieter ??? are you sure that nobody can crack spyware for gravon ? actually i have spyware to see passwords from players and a kind of spyware too see other players pieces when i want. its just that i like the fair way of playing stratego. when i use it, i just have my own with this kind of playing its not funny and you will never learn something. don't say that spion will get the one within a few seconds when they use it because i have been one time in the system to watch my password cause i was forgotten and thats all and spion neither any other admin has get me or have seen it. so now you see how easy it is too come into the system of gravon when it was so good i couldn't get into it.

Greets Ricardo90

-deleted870 · Newbie Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Posts: 9

Stratego,

It seems very hard for you to give any information about how Stratego on Gravon works.
If it would be a game that is only held at the server (server based) without downloading temporary files on my harddisk, then it would be no secret telling me, would it? What would be the bother telling me?
Don't I have a right to know if it's even theoretically possible getting screwed? and in various ways?

What remains a secret for you that is not to be told? I wonder.
Well, let's make another theoretical question:
Is it the case that my own position will be sent to the server from my computer, the opponents position also sent there from his computer, and that each move is checked on validity on the server itself by comparing both the blue and the red positions?
Is that the "valuable" secret?

Or are your remarks intended to invoke humility in my reactions because you cannot handle them?
Or am I morally obliged to conform myself to the institution (read: higher ranked status) you claim to represent?
What is it? I am very curious about your intentions.

Quote:And important: don't think...etc.?
Why? Do you have a problem with my thinking?
Is this a top down monologue, where I should be the listener, or is this a dialogue, in which I also have a right to speak and ask critical questions without getting rebuffed by a gang?

Besides that, if there's a feature in the program that should remain enabled, please make sure yourself that it really remains enabled.
There is no interface and there are no instructions present that makes the program easy to handle for unregistered persons, regrettably.

They have to wait weeks and weeks, and in the mean time they are easy prey for "high society" registered users.
I would like to ask you this: Sir, do you sell turds?

To OGETARTS:

I clicked on several buttons after dakota had left, but nothing responded.
Both colours remained on their place.
But of course I should have waited 15 minutes, or was it 45 minutes?
Sorry, I did not know I should have waited 15 minutes and should have done the dishes first.

stratego · Posted: 08.05.2006 00:56 Post subject:

Hi col,

It seems very hard for you to give any information about how Stratego on Gravon works.
Don't I have a right to know if it's even theoretically possible getting screwed? and in various ways?

The problem is, that you have no idea. Your postings show a lot of presumptions or untrue stories. You ask questions - get responses - and don’t believe them. So what can we do?

What remains a secret for you that is not to be told? I wonder.

Its not that hard to understand - for sure we don’t spread infos about gravon in the forum.
maybe mr. gates send you the code of windows if you ask - we don’t do it.

Well, let's make another theoretical question:
Is it the case that my own position will be sent to the server from my computer, the opponents position also sent there from his computer, and that each move is checked on validity on the server itself by comparing both the blue and the red positions?
Is that the "valuable" secret?

You can quess a lot - the answere is not for public discussions at the forum.

Or are your remarks intended to invoke humility in my reactions because you cannot handle them?
Or am I morally obliged to conform myself to the institution (read: higher ranked status) you claim to represent?
What is it? I am very curious about your intentions.

The best (read: most stupid) part of your posting.

Quote:And important: don't think...etc.?
Why? Do you have a problem with my thinking?
Is this a top down monologue, where I should be the listener, or is this a dialogue, in which I also have a right to speak and ask critical questions without getting rebuffed by a gang?

???
A lot people don’t take the time to read the instructions for gravon or stratego. Some rumours are going round and we cannot explain every day how all works. This part was only for the people, who read the posting and don’t know, what happened with the “download-games”.

Besides that, if there's a feature in the program that should remain enabled, please make sure yourself that it really remains enabled.
There is no interface and there are no instructions present that makes the program easy to handle for unregistered persons, regrettably.

Its not our problem if people don’t use the instructions (homepage) or forum. But this shows your style: you don’t know it - you don’t read - but you post again wrong facts.

They have to wait weeks and weeks, and in the mean time they are easy prey for "high society" registered users.
I would like to ask you this: Sir, do you sell turds?

oh my - wrong again - what does you mean with “sell turds” - think its better not to ask.

Stratego

ricardo90 · Posted: 08.05.2006 01:03 Post subject:

he means with sell turds that you sell bit

stratego · Posted: 08.05.2006 01:06 Post subject:

ricardo:

nice try - lol.
there is no spyware for the passwords. but ok - lets try:

use my name "stratego" and my password for a game at gravon.
feel free - no problem from my side.

i give you one week - but (sorry) i just start laughing.
dont use a password of a friend given by phone - we see it (be sure)
and this is no proof. use my name.

hope to see me online

Stratego

-deleted870 · Newbie Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Posts: 9

Stratego,

Don't I have a right to know if it's even theoretically possible getting screwed? and in various ways?

The problem is, that you have no idea. Your postings show a lot of presumptions or untrue stories. You ask questions - get responses - and don’t believe them. So what can we do?

Yes I do have an idea, it happened to me yesterday, and it happened before.
What you call untrue, conceals your own true motivation, and you refuse to explain this at the expense of others...that is how it goes on Gravon!
Fact is, you don't answer any question, but instead change the subject.
Of course I haven't got a clue this way, and this is exactly what it is all about: you are so fond of the game, that you continue playing Stratego on the forum, except in language instead of pieces.

What you can do, is listen to what is asked and communicate instead of playing mind games that are related to status and also to a lot of anxiety concerning the usage and misusage of Gravon Stratego.
This piece of software is sacred to you, and you cannot cope with any critical remarks or (theoretical) questions concerning the software or the crew.

Its not that hard to understand - for sure we don’t spread infos about gravon in the forum.
maybe mr. gates send you the code of windows if you ask - we don’t do it.

I never asked for a code, I asked for the underlying principle.
But also that is asked too much. How come?

What you call the most stupid part of my posting, is probably hitting the nail right on its head: You just continue playing Stratego in a discussion:
this is secret, this you may know and that not.
Come on, man! Get real and step out of it.

A lot people don’t take the time to read the instructions for gravon or stratego. Some rumours are going round and we cannot explain every day how all works. This part was only for the people, who read the posting and don’t know, what happened with the “download-games”.

Don't you get it? I don't want to know about "download games"!!!
You make that the subject of the discussion, I don't!
Its like talking to a brick wall over here. You know what? Let's talk about the boat of my grandfather, and how it sank!

Its not our problem if people don’t use the instructions (homepage) or forum. But this shows your style: you don’t know it - you don’t read - but you post again wrong facts.

No, your problem is that you don't read, not even your own instructions.
The instructions don't give any information that answer the questions I asked you.

But one question is finally answered, and that is very certain indeed: You definitely sell turds!

ruben87 · Posted: 08.05.2006 02:59 Post subject:

sadistic · Posted: 08.05.2006 03:18 Post subject:

If you play ranked games, this cannot happen. This site is free so how can you complain about being screwed? If it happens again, don't leave your position and he can't acquire it from you. Case closed.

By the way, Lt. Col, have you heard of my ungodly success with the females? If you are interested in the glorious escapades of one such superlative man, just ask. It has become somewhat traditional for new members to study my greatness before being accepted in the land of gravon.

"She wasn't a day over 19 and obviously a marvel of modern nature. At first sight it was clear that god was sending me another gift.............and why would I deny his will?....................."

stratego · Posted: 08.05.2006 03:19 Post subject:

hello col,

first: i spoke with dakota, he said he never played you and he never spy out your setups. so what is real about this fact ?

second: if you say there are no intructions and all is at the homepage we cannot help you.

third: who do you think who you are? mr. super stratego?
i just answere your questions - if you dont like this dont start a fight.
its not me who tries to fight here. i just answere questions here, as far as you are allowed to get the info. i dont post inside infos. even if you go crasy.

just lets stop here and try to get your answers anywhere else.
but stop posting unkown facts or stories about "hacking" gravon, just because you dont find the right button.

gravon wasnt hacked, cannot be hacked and thats it. use the infos so far, get used here or ask questions. but please accept the answere then.
if you are not able to understand how anything works, feel free to ask. i will spend some time to show you how all works.

what i need is the info when you played dakota. he denies the story and i want to check what really happends. he is not that good in english and dont understand most of the posting here. so lets bring light into your story.

if you go on with insulting me (turts) you will be banned from the forum.

Stratego